Discussion:
What are orbs
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Neil Trigger
2005-12-29 08:59:24 UTC
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Okay, so it is just a humble opinion:

I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse is dust, followed by bugs, lint, hair,
pollen and finally balls of energy.

The former are generally picked up by DVI technique and confirmed as simply
natural anomalies; the later, is a little harder to explain because an
energy ball is a fusion of light and electricity. The question is, what is
this electricity and light the result of? If the orb has its own
electricity/light source and appears driven by its own intelligent direction
it would generally come under this area of investigation - Normal or
Paranormal? There is no distinct answer to this question because this kind
of orb has been seen generated at both apparent haunted venues as well as
non-apparent venues; in other words, they themselves do not consitute a
confirmed haunting. They do, however, give rise to the understanding that
the world of science is not yet fully cognescant of its origins and some
explanations have been similar to that of ball lightning, again a ball of
energy and light. (See rumoured crop circle video with flying ball
lightning - more recently accepted as a fake)

Some suggest that the orb is a pre-stage apparition whereby the orb
represents the first forming of a spirit and that if enough energy is gained
the fully fledged apparition can sometimes manifest. If this were true then
with the amount of orbs caught on film (through digicam I hasten to add, and
this must be considered a contributory factor) surely someone will have
evidence of this apparent transition yet none have yet come forward with
anything to substantiate this claim.

In summary, orbs are not a significant factor in determining a genuine
haunting, they should not even be considered as even a part unless something
far more substantial is posed with this evidence.

If an orb...ject moves without apparent natural force, contains its own
lightsource and energy field it may just be simply that - a natural energy
field.

And yes, I do believe in ghosts and hauntings having been a victim of
several... even in my own home occasionally!

But I have never seen a genuine orb and thought instantly - ghost!

Dr Jones however insists that "dust motes have fractal characteristics and
any subtle angular
change in light or observational perspective may give them radically
different apparitional aspects.

"Ever work with laser beams? This is a
common phenomena. Various shifts in external stimuli or perspective
even generally give the illusion of movement, even though the mote
itself is completely stationary."
--
Neil Trigger
Magic2k Managing Director
http://www.magic2k.com
http://www.magic2k.co.uk
Me
2005-12-29 14:02:57 UTC
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Turn off that IR spotlight on top of the video camera or the flash on
the camera and then try to find them. They are dust or bugs or lint.
All shapes, sizes and colours.



On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:59:24 GMT, "Neil Trigger"
Post by Neil Trigger
I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse is dust, followed by bugs, lint, hair,
pollen and finally balls of energy.
The former are generally picked up by DVI technique and confirmed as simply
natural anomalies; the later, is a little harder to explain because an
energy ball is a fusion of light and electricity. The question is, what is
this electricity and light the result of? If the orb has its own
electricity/light source and appears driven by its own intelligent direction
it would generally come under this area of investigation - Normal or
Paranormal? There is no distinct answer to this question because this kind
of orb has been seen generated at both apparent haunted venues as well as
non-apparent venues; in other words, they themselves do not consitute a
confirmed haunting. They do, however, give rise to the understanding that
the world of science is not yet fully cognescant of its origins and some
explanations have been similar to that of ball lightning, again a ball of
energy and light. (See rumoured crop circle video with flying ball
lightning - more recently accepted as a fake)
Some suggest that the orb is a pre-stage apparition whereby the orb
represents the first forming of a spirit and that if enough energy is gained
the fully fledged apparition can sometimes manifest. If this were true then
with the amount of orbs caught on film (through digicam I hasten to add, and
this must be considered a contributory factor) surely someone will have
evidence of this apparent transition yet none have yet come forward with
anything to substantiate this claim.
In summary, orbs are not a significant factor in determining a genuine
haunting, they should not even be considered as even a part unless something
far more substantial is posed with this evidence.
If an orb...ject moves without apparent natural force, contains its own
lightsource and energy field it may just be simply that - a natural energy
field.
And yes, I do believe in ghosts and hauntings having been a victim of
several... even in my own home occasionally!
But I have never seen a genuine orb and thought instantly - ghost!
Dr Jones however insists that "dust motes have fractal characteristics and
any subtle angular
change in light or observational perspective may give them radically
different apparitional aspects.
"Ever work with laser beams? This is a
common phenomena. Various shifts in external stimuli or perspective
even generally give the illusion of movement, even though the mote
itself is completely stationary."
Neil Trigger
2005-12-29 23:44:26 UTC
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IR and flash were both off...
--
Neil Trigger
Magic2k Managing Director
http://www.magic2k.com
http://www.magic2k.co.uk
Tom W.
2006-01-05 19:48:16 UTC
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Post by Me
Turn off that IR spotlight on top of the video camera or the flash on
the camera and then try to find them. They are dust or bugs or lint.
All shapes, sizes and colours.
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:59:24 GMT, "Neil Trigger"
Post by Neil Trigger
I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse is dust, followed by bugs, lint, hair,
pollen and finally balls of energy.
I think some could be real phenomena but certainly not many
i have seen.
Many orbs disappeared when digital cameras were better
able to handle low light situations. Underpixels were responsible
for a great number of them. Distant lights that look much closer
account for some.

Tom

Stan de SD
2005-12-30 10:41:31 UTC
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Post by Neil Trigger
I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse
You spelled "explanation" wrong,,,
Neil Trigger
2005-12-30 11:36:02 UTC
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Yes, you're right... both words can be used. I decided not to consult a
thesaurus on that occasion because I thought "excuse" was also apt.

Thank you for clarifying the point. ;o)
--
Neil Trigger
Magic2k Managing Director
http://www.magic2k.com
http://www.magic2k.co.uk
Zaltor
2006-01-01 19:37:19 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Post by Neil Trigger
I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse
You spelled "explanation" wrong,,,
Master Debunker must start as a spell checker I reckon.
u***@nowhere.net
2006-01-01 20:16:03 UTC
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:37:19 GMT, Zaltor
Post by Zaltor
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Neil Trigger
I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse
You spelled "explanation" wrong,,,
Master Debunker must start as a spell checker I reckon.
which spell was Neil casting this time though? heeh
Zaltor
2006-01-01 20:41:39 UTC
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Post by u***@nowhere.net
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:37:19 GMT, Zaltor
Post by Zaltor
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Neil Trigger
I think most of us agree that orbs come in different shapes, sizes and
forms; the most commonly posed excuse
You spelled "explanation" wrong,,,
Master Debunker must start as a spell checker I reckon.
which spell was Neil casting this time though? heeh
I am not sure. What were we talking about agian? :)
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